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BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode Whirlpool’s Murat Genc on Digital Transformation and Cross-Functional Leadership

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BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode Whirlpool’s Murat Genc on Digital Transformation and Cross-Functional Leadership
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In this episode of BRAVE COMMERCE, hosts Rachel Tipograph and Sarah Hofstetter sit down with Murat Genc, Global Chief Technology and Digital Officer at Whirlpool Corporation. With a career spanning nearly two decades at Procter & Gamble before transitioning to Whirlpool, Genc reflects on the challenges and growth he experienced while shifting from the consumer packaged goods (CPG) sector to the world of durable appliances. He shares how his leadership approach evolved and how his reliance on team collaboration and reverse mentoring has helped him keep his finger on the pulse of the organization.

Genc delves into the complexities of marketing products with extended lifecycles, like Whirlpool’s iconic KitchenAid mixers, compared to the faster-paced, repeat-purchase models of CPG. He explains how Whirlpool navigates this difference by focusing on the lifetime value of their customers through digital services, subscriptions, and connected technology. Genc also highlights the importance of IoT integration in appliances, giving Whirlpool real-time insights into product usage and consumer behavior to continually refine their product development and marketing strategies.

The conversation takes a deeper dive into breaking down silos between marketing, tech, and R&D functions at Whirlpool. Genc shares his thoughts on bridging these gaps, drawing from his experiences at P&G and his philosophy of cross-functional collaboration. As the conversation concludes, Genc opens up about the bravest moment of his life—overcoming a personal health challenge and how it shaped his professional and personal outlook.

Key Takeaways:

  • Leadership evolution: From reverse mentoring to navigating a new industry.
  • How IoT and real-time consumer insights shape product innovation at Whirlpool.
  • The importance of breaking down silos between marketing and technology for a holistic business approach.

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Speaker 1: This episode of Brave Commerce was originally recorded on July 22nd, 2024.

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Speaker 1: Since then, our guest, Murat, has left his role at Whirlpool. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: throughout this episode, you’ll hear him referencing his time at

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Speaker 1: Whirlpool without mentioning his departure. Thank you and enjoy the episode.

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Speaker 2: AI is shaping humanity. Every part of consumers’ lives and businesses,

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Speaker 2: companies really need to follow a more smart risk-taking approach

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Speaker 2: and strategy. And they should invest and learn fast and

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Speaker 2: kind of creatively disrupt themselves and their processes, their organizations,

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Speaker 2: their business model before someone else does it for them

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Speaker 2: or to them. A combination of really how companies can

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Speaker 2: use technology and adapt it faster than customers, as well

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Speaker 2: as how they can really experiment and do some smart

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Speaker 2: risk-taking with AI and disrupt themselves are two things that

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Speaker 2: keep me awake at night right now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to today’s episode of Brave Commerce.

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Speaker 4: I’m Rachel Typograph, the founder and CEO of Micmac.

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Speaker 3: I’m Sarah Hofstetter, president of Profitero, and.

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Speaker 4: This is a show that talks about what’s relevant in

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Speaker 4: e-commerce for the world’s biggest brands. Sarah, I know you

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Speaker 4: do yoga, but do you play any other sports?

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Speaker 3: Believe it or not, I played volleyball in high school.

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Speaker 3: And then I coached volleyball when I was in college.

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Speaker 3: I coached high school volleyball when I was in college.

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Speaker 2: Oh, cool. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Today, I do not play as much sport as I should,

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Speaker 3: but that will be changing when I turn 50.

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Speaker 5: And that’s a conversation for another day. So tell me

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Speaker 5: about you.

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Speaker 4: I played all sports growing up, but tennis was my

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Speaker 4: dominant sport. My athletic claim to fame is that I

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Speaker 4: got pretty far.

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Speaker 5: New Jersey State Finals is pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Competition is pretty steep there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I ask because I don’t think of you as one

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Speaker 4: of these people, but I also don’t work with you

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Speaker 4: every second of the day. How often do you make

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Speaker 4: sports analogies at work?

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Speaker 3: Oh, you see, there’s, there’s some playing sports and sports analogies,

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Speaker 3: but I actually am the worst at like mixing the metaphors.

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Speaker 4: When you run a global business, you just got to

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Speaker 4: stick to soccer, otherwise known as football.

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Speaker 5: Well, you see, it’s not even called the same thing.

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Speaker 5: So I know, I know, I know. But there are

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Speaker 4: We’d like to think so. Running, cycling, water polo, a

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Speaker 4: sport I rarely think about, but came up in this podcast.

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Speaker 3: Water polo is an interesting one because we so frequently

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Speaker 3: focus on swimming as a universal global sport. Swimming is

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Speaker 3: Water polo, the exact opposite.

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Speaker 4: I actually thought it was beautiful when Murat, who is

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Speaker 4: the chief digital officer at Whirlpool, used that as an analogy.

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Speaker 5: Actually, now that I think about it, pool, pool, swim.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he totally inceptioned us on that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But, you know, we talk about people staying in their

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Speaker 3: Like, that’s the exact antithesis of what we talk about

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Speaker 3: here in Brave Commerce. In Brave Commerce, we talk about

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Speaker 3: different teams and capabilities working around, coalescing around shared goals.

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Speaker 5: And I think the conversation you guys are about to

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Speaker 3: How high-performing organizations really need to swim the lanes less

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Speaker 4: executive onto the show. Today, we are very excited to

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Speaker 2: Hello. Hi, Rachel. Hi, Sarah. It’s a pleasure to be

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Speaker 4: I met you when you were at Procter & Gamble

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Speaker 4: and you were there for, I believe, nearly 18 years.

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Speaker 4: which I don’t think is anything like selling Tide, though

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Speaker 2: We don’t sell type, but we sell brands like KitchenAid

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Speaker 2: and Whirlpool and Maytag. And indeed, that was a big shift, actually.

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Speaker 6: from them, building great stories and products and innovations.

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Speaker 2: And P & G gave me all those for nearly

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Speaker 2: needed to shift my leadership skills. Obviously, when you grow

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Speaker 2: build these kind of reverse mentoring relationships with people in

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Speaker 2: our operations, in the field, in marketing, so that they

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Speaker 2: can reverse mentor me and I can also stay connected

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Speaker 2: and in touch with what’s really happening in the broader organization.

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Speaker 2: And then finally, I needed to work a lot more

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Speaker 2: closely with our CEO and board of directors. So that

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Speaker 2: available at that next level. So it was great with

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Speaker 2: that change.

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Speaker 3: It’s very interesting. The number of people that I’ve met

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Speaker 3: have either come into CPG later in their career or

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Speaker 3: have walked away from CPG later on in their career. And,

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Speaker 3: you know, it’s the from-to does matter, but the idea of,

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Speaker 3: repeat purchase is very different than the approach to how

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Speaker 3: you get people to buy your portfolio and lifetime value

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Speaker 3: and things like that. But behind the scenes, like once

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Speaker 3: KitchenAid stand mixer is designed to basically outlive you, how

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Speaker 3: much repeat purchasing would you have versus hide? And just

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Speaker 3: in the interest of, as I often do on this podcast,

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Speaker 3: full disclosure, I currently use my grandmother’s KitchenAid stand mixer

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Speaker 5: Like it’s a two prong. It’s probably illegal, but is

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Speaker 3: Take a picture for you because I still use it.

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Speaker 3: regular basis. But anyway, my point is these things are

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Speaker 3: around a very, very different sales process?

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Speaker 2: That’s a great question. And I came across so many

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Speaker 2: people who said they are using their mothers or their grandmothers,

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Speaker 2: Stan Mixer, really KitchenAid is proud. And there is such

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Speaker 2: a fan group in Facebook and Instagram where there are

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Speaker 2: so many people. And sometimes they actually collect it. It

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Speaker 2: becomes collectible, these older versions of KitchenAid. So it’s really great.

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Speaker 2: sometimes selling the same brand to someone who used it

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Speaker 2: and finding creative ways to keep your product image fresh

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Speaker 2: a fridge or an oven, it lasts 10 plus years

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Speaker 2: sell digital services, solutions, subscriptions, like warranty and so on

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Speaker 2: different dynamics, but they are adjacent industries. Obviously, big focus

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, in appliances, products are technology products

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Speaker 2: but it’s in the product itself. Like we have connected

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Speaker 2: products and IoT play a big role in product success.

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Speaker 2: The tech stack was different, but over time, I think

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Speaker 5: No, it definitely does.

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Speaker 3: And I wanted to actually go exactly where you’re going

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Speaker 2: you know, one of these like extreme uncertainties in life.

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Speaker 2: I also kind of built this extreme urgency mindset. Given

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Speaker 2: I didn’t know what lays ahead, I kind of chose

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Speaker 2: was really blessed to learn how to enjoy life in

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Speaker 2: a different way and I mean, sometimes there are so

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Speaker 2: many daily worries and they are really, really small when

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Speaker 2: you come face to face with, you know, that kind

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Speaker 2: And obviously, my wife and family helped me a lot

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Speaker 4: We appreciate you sharing your story, your perspective on the ecosystem.

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Speaker 4: And we’re excited to watch what Whirlpool does in this space.

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Speaker 2: That’s great. It was a pleasure. And I know we

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Speaker 2: are going to stay in touch. Thanks for hosting me,

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Speaker 2: Rachel and Sarah.

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Speaker 4: If you like what you heard and you want to

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Speaker 4: hear from other P & G alumni, they are out

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Speaker 4: there in the world because they’re quite talented and we’ve

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Speaker 4: out Jay Sethi from Diageo or Kevin Shapiro from Cody.

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Speaker 5: Officer at Edelman and the host of Touch of Truth,

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Speaker 3: Meet everyone once. As a result, I’ve met some of

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Speaker 5: Touch of Truth is available wherever you listen to podcasts.

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