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BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode Snap’s Grace Kao on Conversational Marketing and the Future of Brand Engagement

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BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode Snap’s Grace Kao on Conversational Marketing and the Future of Brand Engagement
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In this episode of BRAVE COMMERCE, Rachel Tipograph and Sarah Hofstetter speak with Grace Kao, Chief Marketing Officer at Snap Inc., about how changing consumer behaviors are reshaping the way brands build relationships and drive growth.

Grace shares why marketing is shifting from one-way messaging toward more community-driven, two-way engagement, and what brands can learn from the rise of chat and conversational commerce. She also discusses the role of creativity as AI and other technologies evolve, how brands can show up authentically in more personal spaces, and the challenge of balancing innovation with the growing pressure to prove ROI.

Key takeaways:

  • The future of brand engagement is increasingly two-way, requiring marketers to contribute value rather than simply broadcast messages.
  • AI may change how marketers create and engage, but strong ideas and human creativity remain fundamental.
  • Marketers need to balance measurable performance with experimentation across emerging consumer behaviors and technologies.

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Speaker 1: You as a marketer, and I even say this to

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Speaker 1: my own team and to myself, is like, if people

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Speaker 1: are making amazing creative ideas themselves on these platforms, on

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Speaker 1: our platform, then as a brand, we got to at

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Speaker 2: These people are doing such funny, crazy, amazing things.

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Speaker 1: We as a brand at least got to meet them

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Speaker 3: Welcome to today’s episode of Free of Commerce. I’m Sarah Hofstadter.

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Speaker 4: And I’m Rachel Tippegraff. And this is a show that

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Speaker 4: talks about what’s relevant in commerce for the world’s biggest brands.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Free of Commerce.

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Speaker 4: Sarah, with your new business, 37Arc, I’m so curious the

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Speaker 4: outputs that CMOs are caring about. In terms of brand

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Speaker 4: building and creativity, how is your work laddering up to that?

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Speaker 3: It is fascinating because at 37Arc, a lot of what

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Speaker 3: we’re doing is around workflow. And so you would think

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Speaker 3: workflow may not be sexy, but if you think about

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Speaker 3: It’s been really fascinating. So even some people who were

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Speaker 4: And so where does your work stop and human creativity start?

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Speaker 3: brief writing process, just the approval of getting a brief, right?

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Speaker 2: Hello, hello.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Rachel.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: You know, I started my career on the creative agency

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest shifts that I’ve seen over the years,

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Speaker 4: You didn’t say AI, so find that interesting.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Trying, trying to hold.

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Speaker 2: I would eventually get to AI.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Let’s talk about that. Let’s unpack that. Is there

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Speaker 1: Great question. I’ve been in this industry long enough where

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Speaker 1: I went from like, oh my goodness, get my TV

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Speaker 1: So I think like I think we would eventually talk

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Speaker 4: And so on that thread of the focus of creativity

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Speaker 4: the last 15 years has done a really strong job

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Speaker 4: of culturally relevant marketing. And when you’re giving advice to

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Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness. Well, one, thank you, Rachel, for saying that.

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Speaker 2: We try. We try over here at Snap.

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Speaker 1: I would say the advice I usually tell people is

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Speaker 1: if you look at how people are expressing or creating

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Speaker 3: That means a lot. And I would echo what Rachel

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Speaker 3: It’s been fascinating to me to both witness just culturally,

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Speaker 3: on chat. So like what’s been driving that? Cause on

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Speaker 3: How should marketers be thinking about their conversational marketing strategy

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Speaker 3: with Snap and just in the context of broader one-to-one communication?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it’s so crazy. I think like 85%

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Speaker 1: think there’s this crazy stat of like 950 billion chats

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I would say thank you so much in

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Speaker 4: To Love how human that answer is. And I’m sure

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Speaker 4: many of our listeners can relate. If you like what

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Speaker 4: you heard and you want to keep thinking about how

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Speaker 4: CMOs are leading the way to build brand growth via culture,

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Speaker 4: go check out a recent episode we did with Nick Tran.

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Speaker 4: And if you like what you heard, write a review.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Hi, I’m Jackie Cooper, Global Chief Brand Officer at Edelman

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Speaker 5: and the host of Touch of Truth, a new podcast

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Speaker 5: launching on the Adweek Podcast Network. My dad gave me

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Speaker 5: this incredibly smart piece of advice. Meet everyone once. As

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Speaker 5: a result, I’ve met some of the most fascinating and

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Speaker 5: inspiring people on the planet. Now on Touch of Truth,

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Speaker 5: we’re coming centre stage and sharing the mic to experience

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Speaker 5: stories of truth, insights and visions for the future that

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Speaker 5: will challenge your way of thinking. Touch of Truth is

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Speaker 5: available wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out

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Speaker 5: every Tuesday. I do hope to see you there.