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Hosted ByRachel Tipograph & Sarah Hofstetter

MikMak Founder & CEO Rachel Tipograph and Profitero’s President Sarah Hofstetter tackle what’s relevant in eCommerce today for the world’s biggest brands. Each episode they’ll share tips worth millions in sales, while interviewing the bravest marketers on how to navigate eCommerce’s latest consumer and retailer dynamics.

BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode DoorDash’s Toby Espinosa on Commerce Media That Connects National Dollars to Local Demand

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BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode DoorDash's Toby Espinosa on Commerce Media That Connects National Dollars to Local Demand
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In this episode of BRAVE COMMERCE, Rachel Tipograph and Sarah Hofstetter speak with Toby Espinosa, VP of Ads at DoorDash. Toby shares how DoorDash built one of the fastest-growing retail media networks, and why the next phase of growth depends on making performance comparable across platforms, partners, and budgets.

They unpack the tension between local trade dollars and national media budgets, how CPG organizations split ownership between sales and marketing, and what it takes to unlock both. Toby also explores how AI can accelerate integrations, lower the cost of connecting data, and raise the bar for targeting and outcomes across commerce media.

Key takeaways

  • National media budgets scale when incrementality is clear and performance is standardized.
  • The biggest growth unlock comes from aligning trade and media dollars around shared outcomes.
  • Consistent, comparable reporting builds trust and drives long-term investment.

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Speaker 1: People love to think about media opportunities and add dollars

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Speaker 1: in this large scale mental model. Linear, I can buy

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Speaker 1: at scale. That’s where all the profits are. Our belief

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Speaker 1: at DoorDash is that if you actually look at the

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Speaker 1: problem or the opportunity locally, half of the dollars sit

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Speaker 1: locally in the trade bucket or the sales generating bucket

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Speaker 1: and half sit in national media. It’s our job to

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Speaker 1: unlock both. provide consistent reporting, and that so over time,

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Speaker 1: we can, yes, build a large, massive business, but also

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Speaker 1: provide outcomes for the customer that are efficient across both.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to today’s episode of Free of Commerce. I’m Sarah Hofstadter.

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Speaker 3: And I’m Rachel Tippegraph. And this is a show that

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Speaker 3: talks about what’s relevant in commerce for the world’s biggest brands. Sarah,

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Speaker 3: at what point can we say that an industry has

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Speaker 3: reached maturation?

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Speaker 4: Ooh, help me.

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Speaker 2: Can you refine that question a little bit?

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Speaker 3: Like what I’m going in my head is there’s pretty

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Speaker 3: much now established players in last mile delivery. Like every

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Speaker 3: single time a new entrant tries to come to bear,

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Speaker 3: it just ends up going out of business. So like

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Speaker 3: the space is mature.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 3: And so literally like what’s going to be next for

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Speaker 3: last mile delivery?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And has this place become too crowded at this point

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Speaker 2: for a new entrant to realistically show up? Yeah. Or

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Speaker 2: have we solidified what we’ve got? It’s interesting, you know,

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Speaker 2: if we look at even just at the Super Bowl ads,

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Speaker 2: we saw some stuff from Instacart, we saw some stuff

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Speaker 2: from Grubhub last year was a big year for DoorDash.

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Speaker 3: And then Uber Eats, I think also advertised.

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Speaker 2: Uber Eats, absolutely. And Uber Eats was a big sponsor

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Speaker 2: in addition to having a spot in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: So I think you’re starting to see the cream rise

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Speaker 2: to the top. A lot of the smaller companies have

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Speaker 1: Or gone away.

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Speaker 2: So the question is, how do they maintain their value proposition,

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Speaker 2: both to consumers and to the suppliers that make them

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Speaker 2: continue to be essential? I think that’s the big question is,

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Speaker 2: what makes one essential when you have so many different

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Speaker 2: choices of where and how to get your stuff? And

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Speaker 2: to me, I think the way I’ve been looking at

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Speaker 2: Last Mile, a lot of it has been about last

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Speaker 2: mile replacing the convenience store. You and I have been

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Speaker 2: going through a pretty cold winter here in the Northeast.

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Speaker 2: If I think about Rachel Typograph, new mom, who needs

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Speaker 2: more diapers, you’re not leaving your house.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: I ordered car washer fluid from DoorDash the other week.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Like I’m not going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Right. So if the idea is that basically last mile

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Speaker 2: is a new convenience. And you know that you’re willing

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Speaker 2: to spend a little bit more. Just like if you

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Speaker 2: went to a 7-Eleven, you would spend a little bit

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Speaker 2: more on those things other than soda. That becomes the

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Speaker 2: big value prop is that basically these last milers are

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Speaker 2: the new convenience store. And therefore you’re willing to pay

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Speaker 2: more and the trade-offs are clearly there. So if somebody

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Speaker 2: I don’t know. 100%.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, yeah, the established players are clear. The DoorDashes,

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Speaker 3: the Uber Eats, the Instacarts of the world. And now

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Speaker 3: not only have they won over consumers’ hearts, minds, and wallets,

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Speaker 3: but they’ve now had the opportunity to build massive advertising

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Speaker 3: businesses around that consumer data. And who better to hear

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Speaker 3: the DoorDash news? advertising story than Toby, who has been

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Speaker 3: leading that business unit since day one. So let’s bring

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Speaker 3: Toby onto the show. Today, we are so excited to

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Speaker 3: have Toby Espinoza, the VP of DoorDash Ads, onto the show. Hello, Toby.

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Speaker 1: Hello, hello. Thank you so much, Sarah and Rachel, for

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Speaker 1: having me.

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Speaker 3: Well, I feel like congratulations are in order because you

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Speaker 3: were recently named to AdAges 40 Under 40.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Major congrats. Sarah, were you ever named to that list?

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Speaker 2: Indeed I was.

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Speaker 3: I thought so.

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Speaker 4: Whoa.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: at this point I feel like I’m in the 50

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Speaker 2: over 50 stick, but yes, I was a 40 under 40.

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Speaker 1: That’s awesome.

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Speaker 3: We’re building the alumni work here. Well, Toby, you were

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Speaker 3: named to the list because you are leading the charge

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Speaker 3: at what I believe is the fastest growing retail media network,

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Speaker 3: DoorDash Ads.

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Speaker 1: Yep. As claimed by all of the large LLMs, Claude,

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Speaker 1: Chachi Petit, Gemini, whichever one you want to do, they

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Speaker 1: confirmed that this is true. Yes, I lead the list.

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Speaker 1: The ads business here at DoorDash have been here for

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Speaker 1: over 10 years. And yes, we announced about this time

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Speaker 1: last year that we were the fastest retail media network

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Speaker 1: to reach a billion dollars in revenue. And we continue

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Speaker 1: that trajectory and we’re very proud of it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it’s pretty phenomenal. And what is also so

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Speaker 3: fascinating is that you did not grow up in advertising.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: And you essentially have grown up at DoorDash.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that’s right. I love stories, though. Maybe that helps

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Speaker 1: I did not know what a retail media network was

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Speaker 1: if I could start our ads business. But I think

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Speaker 1: us are built by people, what is that quote, built

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Speaker 1: by people no smarter than us. And so I think

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Speaker 1: our approach, my approach has been When I joined DoorDash

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Speaker 1: 10 plus years ago, my entire world and thought process

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Speaker 1: was I joined it because I love small businesses. There’s

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Speaker 1: something so amazing about a person, family that builds something

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Speaker 1: a small business. And so I was obsessed with that.

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Speaker 1: DoorDash’s core founding principle is to help local economies grow.

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Speaker 1: I have always spent my time really on the kind

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Speaker 1: of what we call the merchant side or the customer side.

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Speaker 1: of our ecosystem, first by running our large national brand business,

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Speaker 1: and then by starting our retail media network. And it

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Speaker 1: was all about how do we keep building tools to

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Speaker 1: help people grow within our ecosystem faster. And now with

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Speaker 1: the acquisition of Symbiosis in July, helping people grow outside

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Speaker 1: of our ecosystem faster too.

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Speaker 3: Proud investor. So thanks for doing that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, wow.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look at that. That’s amazing. Well, Rachel, thank you

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Speaker 1: for investing in such an amazing group of people. They

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Speaker 1: are truly… Truly special folks.

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Speaker 3: I think it also says something about DoorDash that you

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Speaker 3: are at the helm, an industry outsider of the fastest

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Speaker 3: growing ad network, and they continue to bet on you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Not a lot of organizations operate that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it goes to just arguably my favorite

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Speaker 1: DoorDash internal value, which is truth seek. There’s just a

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Speaker 1: fundamental remaking and reshaping in pursuit of the truth, which…

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Speaker 1: regardless of experience in a specific sector, that sector could

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Speaker 1: be changing radically depending on forces outside of it or

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Speaker 1: the fundamental truths of what drives outcomes in the moment.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that, again, kind of going back

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Speaker 1: powered Criteo’s ad platform. And just kind of with that

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Speaker 1: looking in, just trying to continue to truth-seek and help

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Speaker 1: local economies continue to grow.

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Speaker 2: Can I unpack the local economy thing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it’s great. How do you reconcile that whole,

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Speaker 2: like the local economy with the fact that you, for

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Speaker 2: the most part, are working with these national chains? And

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Speaker 2: but there’s obviously a lot of tension in that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It has about 550,000 merchants on the platform. The

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Speaker 1: majority of those are still small businesses and, And then

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Speaker 1: of the rest, even within the large restaurant category, the

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Speaker 1: restauranteurs in the large restaurant category, so think your McDonald’s,

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Speaker 1: your Chick-fil-A’s, are all owned locally. They’re all local owner operators.

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Speaker 1: So in the restaurant side of our business, and then

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Speaker 1: franchisee never were able to really collaborate from a marketing standpoint.

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Speaker 1: They’ve tried historically without technology, right? So you create a

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Speaker 1: local ad fund and they’ll deploy money out of there.

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Speaker 1: We came along, we built a product that we announced

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Speaker 1: last year that allows this sort of collaboration to occur.

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Speaker 1: And so I would say, Sarah, that actually the vast

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Speaker 1: majority of our advertising dollars that we kind of absorb

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Speaker 1: today are local in nature, whether they’re coming from franchisees

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Speaker 1: or small local owner-operated restaurants, merchants, et cetera. When you

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Speaker 1: so these large national, the Campbell’s of the world, the

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Speaker 1: scale and want to buy media at a national scale.

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Speaker 1: We start to kind of think about how to decompose

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Speaker 1: regional in nature, and your large media brand buying dollars.

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Speaker 1: And Retail media networks sit in this weird cross between

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Speaker 1: Definitely by a long shot, 100X is proposing to the

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Speaker 3: Well, Toby, thank you so much for sharing. We are

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Speaker 3: excited to see what you continue to build at DoorDash.

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Speaker 3: And if anyone wants to follow the latest, find him

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Speaker 3: on LinkedIn.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and maybe even after he’s 42.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Thank you both so much. It was

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Speaker 1: so fun.

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Speaker 3: If you like what you heard and you want to

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Speaker 3: think about convenience as a channel and how it’s being

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Speaker 3: disrupted from a totally different perspective, go check out the

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Speaker 3: episode we did with John Farris, the president of Bosh

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Speaker 3: and Lomb. And please tell your friends on LinkedIn if

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Speaker 3: you’re enjoying listening.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Hi, I’m Jackie Cooper, Global Chief Brand Officer at Edelman

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