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BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode BlueTriton’s Kheri Tillman on Navigating the Future of Water Brands

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Join hosts Sarah Hofstetter, President of Profitero, and Rachel Tipograph, Founder and CEO of MikMak, in an insightful episode of BRAVE COMMERCE featuring Kheri Tillman, EVP and Chief Marketing Officer of BlueTriton Brands. Together they dive deep into the strategies and stories behind one of the leading names in the water industry.

Kheri Tillman shares the journey of BlueTriton Brands, highlighting their impressive portfolio of regional spring waters like Poland Spring, Deer Park, and Arrowhead. She discusses the unique approach of sourcing water locally, the strategic acquisitions such as Saratoga, and the innovative launch of new products like ionized water brand, Action. Discover how BlueTriton is making waves in the market by staying true to its core values and adapting to consumer demands.

In this episode, Kheri also delves into her transition from publicly traded companies to a PE-backed portfolio, the challenges and opportunities in the ever-evolving beverage industry, and the importance of maintaining a strong brand presence amidst the rise of private labels. Learn how BlueTriton continues to thrive by embracing change, fostering clear communication, and celebrating successes.

Key Takeaways:

  • Strategic Portfolio Management: Insights into BlueTriton’s diverse range of water brands and the importance of local sourcing.
  • Marketing and Innovation: How BlueTriton stays ahead with new product launches and targeted marketing strategies.
  • Leadership in Change: Kheri Tillman’s approach to navigating industry changes and driving growth through effective leadership and communication.

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Speaker 1: What’s been really good is the consistency in which we’re

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Speaker 1: clear about where we’re going.

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Speaker 2: And for me, it’s about.

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Speaker 1: clear about why you’re making the decisions and what the

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Speaker 1: I have found throughout my career, whether it was myself

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Speaker 1: managing change for myself or leading people through change, It’s

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Speaker 1: making sure that the communication as to why that change

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Speaker 1: is being made is really clear.

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Speaker 2: But then also being behind them, having people’s backs is real.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to today’s episode of Brave Commerce.

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Speaker 4: I’m Rachel Typograph, the founder and CEO of Micmac.

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Speaker 3: I’m Sarah Hofstetter, president of Profitero.

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Speaker 4: And this is a show that talks about what’s relevant

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Speaker 4: in e-commerce for the world’s biggest brands.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Brave Commerce.

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Speaker 4: Sarah, how big do you think the bottled water business is?

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Speaker 3: I feel like you’re setting me up for failure because

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Speaker 3: I don’t have time to Google while I’m podcasting. So

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Speaker 3: why don’t you just freaking tell me the answer?

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Speaker 4: So according to sources that I’m looking at right now,

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Speaker 4: in 2022, the global water, bottled water market was around

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Speaker 4: 304 billion. And it’s essentially been growing at a compounded

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Speaker 4: growth rate of 6% year over year. It’s just funny

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Speaker 4: that like the water business is still growing. You think

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Speaker 4: we would have all discovered water by now.

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Speaker 3: I am practically speechless, although that’s not something that I

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Speaker 3: can actually do. It’s interesting in a number of ways.

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Speaker 3: One is obviously CPG doesn’t.

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Speaker 3: And then you look at it beyond that and you

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Speaker 3: say water really like with all of the headwinds that exist.

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Speaker 3: Number one, the ability to get water. And let’s talk

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Speaker 3: about developed countries. In developed countries, you can get water.

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Speaker 3: with relative ease, you can filter your water with relative ease.

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Speaker 3: So now you’re sitting here and saying, these are people

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Speaker 3: You think about the massive amounts of distribution, particularly in

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Speaker 3: is still growing. Somebody’s going to say like, well, why

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Speaker 3: is it? Is it all like, to quote Spaceballs, merchandising?

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Speaker 3: Or is there something else behind it?

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Speaker 4: Well, it’s interesting, like the developed part of the world,

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Speaker 4: consumer bottled water business and think about the last few years,

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Speaker 4: aluminum cans. We have the flavored water craze. We got

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Speaker 4: private label products. I’m sure I’m missing something here.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is water.

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Speaker 3: It’s kind of everywhere. It kind of goes to the

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Speaker 3: importance of audience segmentation, brand segmentation, and kind of knowing

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Speaker 4: So what better way to examine the potential of the

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Speaker 4: water business than to look at Blue Trident Brands? So

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Speaker 2: Hello, hello. How are you?

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Speaker 4: We’re doing well. I imagine this is a busy week

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Speaker 4: for you because it’s hot, at least on the East Coast,

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Speaker 2: Yes, it’s a very busy week as we get into

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Speaker 2: For all that people want to drink.

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Speaker 4: Well, maybe to kick it off, Blue Trident might be

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Speaker 1: So it allows us to be truly local in how

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Speaker 4: So what was sort of your thesis of joining this

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Speaker 1: Blue Triton had such amazing brands with a lot of

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Speaker 2: There hadn’t been a lot of spend in the recent years.

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Speaker 1: But when you think about a Poland Spring, which is

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Speaker 1: And I thought what was really compelling about the role

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Speaker 4: What does that say about New York that it’s all

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean, there was some baby stuff

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Speaker 3: I have a little fun fact about myself and your brands.

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Speaker 3: My first name, shockingly, is Sarah. But what my father

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Speaker 3: wanted to name me as my middle name was Toga.

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Speaker 3: And I did not understand this as a child. And

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Speaker 3: that might be funny. But also that’s my human person

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that’s just a little window into my childhood.

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Speaker 3: But back to you, really.

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Speaker 2: Your group of brands.

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Speaker 3: And the people that have been stewarding them and will

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Speaker 3: continue to steward them have been through a lot of change,

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Speaker 3: especially given everything that happened in terms of your ownership.

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Speaker 1: It’s funny, though, after being in business for a while,

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Speaker 2: And how you can think through.

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Speaker 2: In which we’re clear about where we’re going.

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Speaker 1: And for me, it’s about communication, regular communication, ensuring that

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Speaker 2: So as decisions are being made.

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Speaker 1: So what I have found throughout my career, whether it

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Speaker 2: Even if the decision in the end was a bad decision, right?

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Speaker 1: But sometimes moving forward, even if that forward step is

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Speaker 2: Things that are changing. But I do think the other

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Speaker 1: It’s really easy to have, like if the total volume is.

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Speaker 2: Down, Right. And you’re like, oh, but you have one

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Speaker 1: You got to celebrate those wins. And we really have

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Speaker 3: Can somebody bring a liter to my door because it’s

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is, it’s critical, I think, to success, right?

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Speaker 1: of our innovation ends up being pack innovation, right? as

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Speaker 4: It’s pretty amazing the breadth of disruption right now happening

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Speaker 4: within water. Well, Kerry, we got to ask you our

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Speaker 1: As I was thinking about it, you’d like to think like, oh,

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Speaker 1: there’s all these brave things that I’ve done. The personal

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Speaker 1: And I went as a freshman, walked onto the soccer team,

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Speaker 1: And then there were several incidents of racism that made.

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Speaker 2: Me think differently about my choice.

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Speaker 1: And I was always raised, my dad was in business,

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Speaker 1: I was always raised to finish what you started, persevere,

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Speaker 1: go forward. I, after a Halloween party where someone came

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Speaker 2: Anymore and called my parents and said, hey, I need

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Speaker 1: And can you pick me up Christmas time and leave?

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Speaker 1: But the idea of surrendering felt wrong. So for me,

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Speaker 1: it was brave because it was counter to what I

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Speaker 1: was open up doors to one, realize that your path.

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Speaker 2: Doesn’t have to be straight. Your path doesn’t have to

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Speaker 1: Expects it to be, but your path needs to be

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Speaker 1: need to go.

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Speaker 2: And I learned that I ended up at Spelman College.

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Speaker 2: So opposite ends of the earth, historically black, all female school,

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Speaker 2: and very quickly realized that it was a change that

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Speaker 2: was really needed to build a confidence in myself. I

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Speaker 2: called my mother from a pay phone. Yes, I am

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Speaker 2: that old from a pay phone. And she said, how

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Speaker 2: are you? I said, it’s great.

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Speaker 1: I was like, everybody’s using an umbrella. And she was

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Speaker 1: very confused by that. And I didn’t really know what

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Speaker 1: it meant until later. But for Black women, you don’t

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Speaker 1: want to run through the rain because your hair gets

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Speaker 1: all frizzy. And at Skidmore, it was like no one

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Speaker 2: I felt like I was the only one walking across

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Speaker 1: But it was a bit of a metaphor of I

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Speaker 1: was really comfortable with who I was. I was comfortable

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Speaker 1: with where I was. And it really allowed me to

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Speaker 1: be myself. And that put me on a really amazing path.

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Speaker 4: It’s an incredible story. It’s so upsetting that you had

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Speaker 4: to experience that in your freshman year. But standing up

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Speaker 4: for yourself and paving this new path is what makes

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Speaker 4: the story all the better.

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Speaker 2: But it’s learning, right? As you go into anything, it’s

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Speaker 2: what you learn first. How do you put arrows in

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Speaker 2: your quiver along the.

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Speaker 1: Way that builds you into who you are and allows

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Speaker 1: you to be the best you can be? Because you’ve

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Speaker 1: now had all these experiences that just build you to

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Speaker 1: newer places. So I would not have changed it for

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Speaker 1: the world because I think I ended up.

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Speaker 2: In a really good spot.

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Speaker 4: Do you still play soccer?

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Speaker 2: Up until COVID.

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Speaker 1: I played soccer on a competitive women’s team in Westchester.

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Speaker 2: So up until the knee surgery, I actually did play.

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Speaker 4: That’s impressive. It’s a very physical sport.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of fun. A lot of fun. Competition.

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Speaker 2: You know, can’t give it up.

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Speaker 4: I know. The water industry seems ripe for you.

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Speaker 2: There you go. A lot of competition.

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Speaker 4: Well, Carrie, we’re so appreciative for your time. I’m sure

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Speaker 4: after people listening to this episode, they will be following

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Speaker 4: your journey on LinkedIn. And thank you again.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Sarah, Rachel, this was great. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: If you want to think more about water and the

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Speaker 4: overall hydration industry, we’ve had quite a few guests on

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Speaker 4: the show. You can go listen to an episode from

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Speaker 4: last year where the SVP of Digital of Liquid Death, Hamid,

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Speaker 4: was on the show. We’ve had executives over the years

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Speaker 4: from PepsiCo. from Coca-Cola. We’ve also had noon hydration. So

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Speaker 4: many ways for you to continue your learning and hopefully

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Speaker 4: quench your thirst. If you’re enjoying what you’re hearing, give

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Speaker 4: us a like, write a review, share on LinkedIn. Thanks

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Speaker 4: for listening.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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