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BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode TikTok & Keurig Dr Pepper on Turning Cultural Moments into Measurable Growth

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BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode TikTok & Keurig Dr Pepper on Turning Cultural Moments into Measurable Growth
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On this episode of BRAVE COMMERCE, Rachel Tipograph and Sarah Hofstetter are joined by Mike Westgate, Sector Lead, Retail, Global Business Solutions at TikTok, and Ben Sylvan, Senior Vice President, Connected Media Team at Keurig Dr Pepper. Bringing together both a platform and an advertiser, they offer a behind-the-scenes look at how their partnership turned Dr Pepper’s viral Romeo jingle into one of the brand’s biggest marketing moments.

Mike and Ben discuss how the campaign came together, from identifying an organic creator moment to making the decision to feature it during the College Football National Championship. They also explore how brands can build organizations that move at the speed of culture, collaborate more effectively with platform partners, and measure both the immediate and long-term impact of their marketing investments.

Key takeaways

  • Successful cultural moments happen when brands, platforms, and creators work together—not in silos.
  • Community participation is one of the strongest signals of consumer demand and can help shape marketing decisions.
  • Measuring incrementality alongside long-term brand growth provides a more complete picture of campaign performance.

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Speaker 1: Everybody who works on Dr. Pepper, from the brand managers

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Speaker 1: to the social team and everybody in between, they are

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Speaker 1: part of the one-of-a-kind community. They are Dr. Pepper fans.

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Speaker 1: The fact that we can say with conviction, with certainty,

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Speaker 1: that this means a lot to the community because we

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Speaker 1: the right thing to do. And they had our back.

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Speaker 2: Brands that are willing to throw out their own brief.

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Speaker 3: Disrupt their own production cycle and really say, you know,

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Speaker 3: this is what our community and fans expect of us

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Speaker 3: in this moment.

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Speaker 2: If we don’t respond, they’re going to be disappointed.

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Speaker 1: Everybody felt so much pride that we were able to

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Speaker 1: capture this moment, celebrate one of our fans, and really

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Speaker 4: Welcome to today’s episode of Free of Commerce.

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Speaker 5: I’m Sarah Hofstadter.

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Speaker 6: And I’m Rachel Tippegraff. And this is a show that

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Free of Commerce.

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Speaker 6: Sarah, have you made a television commercial in your career?

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Speaker 4: I have never made a commercial that was built directly

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Speaker 7: Nor have I.

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Speaker 6: I’ve never worked in that part of the business. But

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Speaker 6: one of my dear friends is a creative director. And

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Speaker 6: then ultimately decide to go with a piece of creative.

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Speaker 6: I share all that because even though we’re living in

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Speaker 6: especially for live moments, I feel like brands still go

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Speaker 4: It’s a tale of two cities because when it comes to,

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Speaker 4: like you say, you asked me if I made a

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Speaker 4: television commercial. I’ve made content that’s ended up on television,

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Speaker 5: All of the.

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Speaker 4: Planning that goes into these massive investments. And I think

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Speaker 5: You know, we just got done with the NBA finals.

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Speaker 6: Like, let’s go next.

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Speaker 5: Damn right. It’s about damn time.

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Speaker 4: But as we look at all of those things happening,

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Speaker 6: Which is why it still feels novel, even in the

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Speaker 7: 100%.

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Speaker 6: Let’s bring Ben and Mike onto the show. Today, we

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Speaker 6: Hello, Mike, and hello, Ben.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me as well.

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Speaker 6: Well, excited to have both of you on the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So last December, there was a creator named Romeo

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Speaker 1: And the jingle was premiered on TikTok. And we worked

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Speaker 1: And so this is one of those stories that wouldn’t

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Speaker 1: done this alone. TikTok gave us a forum. It gave

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Speaker 5: Pepper. This TikTok breaks the internet.

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Speaker 4: What are all of the mechanisms that tend to happen?

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Speaker 1: I think what’s really unique about Dr. Pepper is our

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Speaker 1: But we all agreed that like, hey, let’s celebrate Romeo.

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Speaker 1: But let’s track the consumer response during the holidays to

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Speaker 1: Our community could stop singing her jingle. Our community members

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Speaker 6: So now that we’re six months away from the college

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Speaker 1: to be really exciting for our brand is the long

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Speaker 3: We’re building tools also to help make that discovery period much,

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Speaker 3: much shorter. We’ve got something called Content Engine that’s basically

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Speaker 3: going to flag to Ben and team and other brands.

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Speaker 2: There are emerging.

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Speaker 3: Viral, highly engageable videos that are happening in the moment

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Speaker 3: on TikTok. And here are ways that we’d recommend connecting

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Speaker 3: advantage of the moment and, as Ben said, give them

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Speaker 3: their spot in the sun as well.

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Speaker 2: So that is one way that we can.

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Speaker 3: Help brands and partners not just think about like, one

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Speaker 3: shining moment, but how do you sustain this true community

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Speaker 2: Because the comment section is becoming the new focus group.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that’s been the case for quite some time.

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Speaker 4: It’s how do you deal with that signal to noise?

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Speaker 4: And I love, Ben, what you said earlier about being

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Speaker 4: a former journalist, probably also because that’s.

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Speaker 5: How I started my career.

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Speaker 4: And so looking at the arc of both of your careers,

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Speaker 4: you both have platform and CPG experience in your professional backgrounds,

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Speaker 4: but you’ve been Almost like creating that special sauce of

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Speaker 4: trying to figure out how to be at that intersection

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Speaker 4: of all the goodness that you bring without any of

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Speaker 4: the yucky legacy. So how do you think that type

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Speaker 4: you work together?

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Speaker 3: If you’re willing to go fast and nothing is truly

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Speaker 3: sacred and the consistent firm belief that the perfect brief

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Speaker 3: is not written in an ivory tower, it makes the

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Speaker 3: platform come to life for you. Because the creative community

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Speaker 3: is the lifeblood of TikTok and can be tremendous growth

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Speaker 3: partners in informants, even in not just campaigns and marketing,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Having experience that Mike and I have that’s pretty similar,

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Speaker 1: inverse of one another, but we kind of know what

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Speaker 1: both of us are focused on. We know what each

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Speaker 1: of our incentives are in ways that maybe other vendor

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Speaker 1: client relationships don’t have. It’s funny, when I was at

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Speaker 1: my career, I would actually try to hire former brand

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Speaker 1: managers or ad leads at CPGs because I thought it

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Speaker 1: was really important for people who are building products for

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Speaker 1: advertisers to have actually been on the brand side, kind

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Speaker 1: of like Mike has been. Because I think sometimes on

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Speaker 1: the platform side, you have a tendency to, and I’m

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Speaker 1: not saying you do it, TikTok Mike, but I think

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Speaker 1: at times there is a sort of ivory tower mentality

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Speaker 1: where you’re sort of building products that aren’t necessarily meeting

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Speaker 1: the needs of advertisers. Vice versa, now that I’m on

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Speaker 1: the brand side, I can have more empathy for why

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Speaker 1: products were built and I can do a better job,

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Speaker 1: I think maybe of others, of translating sort of the

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Speaker 1: intent of products to members of my team or find

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Speaker 1: ways to hack the system to use how products have

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Speaker 1: historically been built to our advantage, right? Or to kind

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Speaker 1: of like tweak them a little bit. Like a good

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Speaker 1: example of that is almost every tech platform builds a

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Speaker 1: conversion API, which works really well for direct response marketers.

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Speaker 1: It doesn’t always work great for CPGs because you can

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Speaker 1: end up in a situation where you’re just reaching people

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Speaker 1: who are going to buy your brand anyway, and it’s

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Speaker 1: just a dog chasing its tail. But we’ve been able to,

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Speaker 1: at Dr. Pepper, kind of understanding how the tech works,

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Speaker 1: having empathy for why it was built, who it was

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Speaker 1: built for. We’ve been able to kind of build some

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Speaker 1: somewhat proprietary ways that we use CAPIs. bringing new different

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Speaker 1: types of data into the APIs that then fuel our

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Speaker 1: optimizations toward KPIs that we care most about, like incrementality

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Speaker 1: or new households. We’re really focused on bringing new households,

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Speaker 1: new buyers into our brands. So we don’t want an

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Speaker 1: optimization engine that is just built for continuing to reach

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Speaker 1: buyers who are going to buy our brand anyway. So

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Speaker 1: understanding why things were built and how they were built,

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Speaker 1: and then being able to kind of tweak them to

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Speaker 1: our needs is has been really beneficial to the team.

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Speaker 1: And then again, Mike and I coming from similar backgrounds allows,

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Speaker 1: I think it just allows us to speak a common language.

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Speaker 6: Ben, it sounds like you have a new software product

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Speaker 6: in your hands to go sell to other brands.

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Speaker 1: I don’t know about that. It’s very much hacked.

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Speaker 6: I’m like, I’m ready to go sell that for you.

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Speaker 6: We have to ask both of you our famous last question.

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Speaker 6: And so the question is, what’s the bravest thing you’ve

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Speaker 6: ever done? Ben, I’ll start with you.

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Speaker 1: So like I said, I was a journalist earlier in

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Speaker 1: my career. I was a sports journalist. And so I

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Speaker 1: graduated college in the early 2000s when Boston was sort

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Speaker 1: of the center of all things sports journalism. And so

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Speaker 1: I don’t come from a family that takes a lot

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Speaker 1: of risks. I think you could refer to my mother

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Speaker 1: as being very risk adverse. I essentially like, Stumped my

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Speaker 1: family when I decided to move to Boston after undergrad

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Speaker 1: with no job and even less money with the prospect

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Speaker 1: of becoming a sports journalist where there wasn’t going to

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Speaker 1: be exactly much money waiting for me at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day anyway. But I think that was the

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Speaker 1: bravest thing was I moved from Colorado to Boston with

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Speaker 1: no job, less money, realizing that that was sort of

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Speaker 1: the epicenter of the industry at that time. And if

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be successful in sports media, I had

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Speaker 1: to be there. I know obviously 20 plus years later,

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Speaker 1: I’m no longer in sports media. I’m on the brand side.

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Speaker 1: I still think it worked out really well, but that

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Speaker 1: was scary at the time. And it was not necessarily

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Speaker 1: encouraged by, you know, with how I was raised.

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Speaker 7: Love it.

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Speaker 1: And Mike?

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Speaker 3: You guys may call this one too easy of a layout,

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Speaker 3: but back in 2020, TikTok was still untested. Two little

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Speaker 3: kids at home The world shut down for COVID, starting

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Speaker 3: a new job then at home with a, they were

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Speaker 3: seven and four at the time. And we didn’t have

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Speaker 3: a fully established platform of ad products at that time.

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Speaker 3: So joining TikTok was a leap for me. I’d always

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Speaker 3: been brand side before, but the learning and the working

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Speaker 3: incredibly brilliant people, incredibly exciting brands and creatives over the

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Speaker 3: last six years, adding things like TikTok shop to our

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Speaker 3: arsenal and figuring out the future of commerce has been

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Speaker 3: the most enlightening period of my career. So You know,

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Speaker 3: I say at the time it felt scary. Looking back now,

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Speaker 3: it makes perfect sense. But yeah, given all the other

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Speaker 3: circumstances around COVID in 2020, April 6th, it was a

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Speaker 3: bit of a leap and certainly enjoyed every minute of

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Speaker 3: it though.

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Speaker 6: Well, what ties both of you together in those stories

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Speaker 6: is your intuition. So keep listening to it. We’re so

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Speaker 6: appreciative for you sharing the story behind Dr. Pepper and TikTok.

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Speaker 6: Six more months, Ben, to see if you can comp

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Speaker 6: what you did.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 6: So we’ll be watching.

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Speaker 1: A lot of pressure to do so. So we’re trying

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Speaker 1: to figure it out.

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Speaker 6: Well, we can get you back into the show and

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Speaker 6: find out how you landed. But what an awesome story

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Speaker 6: and partnership. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. That was fun.

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Speaker 6: If you like what you heard and you want to

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Speaker 6: hear an episode from the CEO of Keurig Dr. Pepper,

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Speaker 6: but he was not the CEO when we interviewed him

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Speaker 6: on the show. He was the CEO… of Central Pet

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Speaker 6: and Garden, go check out an episode we did way

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Speaker 6: back when with Tim Kofer. If you like what you heard,

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Speaker 6: write a review. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 7: Hi, I’m Jackie Cooper, Global Chief Brand Officer at Edelman

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