Brave Commerce

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MikMak Founder & CEO Rachel Tipograph and Profitero’s President Sarah Hofstetter tackle what’s relevant in eCommerce today for the world’s biggest brands. Each episode they’ll share tips worth millions in sales, while interviewing the bravest marketers on how to navigate eCommerce’s latest consumer and retailer dynamics.

BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode 103: Eric Tarnowski of Kenvue on Navigating Change in Connected Commerce

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BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode 103: Eric Tarnowski of Kenvue on Navigating Change in Connected Commerce
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In this episode of BRAVE COMMERCE, Eric Tarnowski, VP of Connected Commerce at Kenvue, joins hosts Rachel Tipograph and Sarah Hofstetter to offer insights into the complexities of change management and the strategic imperatives of connected commerce in the digital era.

The conversation begins with Sarah and Rachel exploring the challenges of change management, highlighting the inherent resistance to change among individuals. They discuss the importance of overcommunication, aligning change with business strategy, incentivizing employees, and fostering transparency to facilitate successful change management. These principles set the stage for Eric Tarnowski’s insights into navigating change within Kenvue.

Eric elaborates on Kenvue’s transition from Johnson & Johnson and the spin-off process, emphasizing the significance of trust, common purpose, shared consciousness, and empowered execution in driving organizational change. Communication, he says, is pivotal to transparency, and alignment with business strategy and in mobilizing teams towards a common goal.

As the conversation progresses, Eric traces his journey at Kenvue from technology and data management to his current role as VP of Connected Commerce, noting his focus on digital transformation and e-commerce integration. He provides a detailed overview of Kenvue’s approach to connected commerce, emphasizing the convergence of marketing, sales, and technology. He outlines the challenges of orchestrating cross-functional collaboration and the importance of outcome-based handoffs, trust-building, and continuous improvement in driving organizational success.

Furthermore, Eric illustrates Kenvue’s connected commerce strategy through a case study on a recent product launch. He highlights the coordinated efforts across branding, media, retail, and consumer experience to drive business performance and consumer relevance. Throughout the interview, Eric returns to the consumer-centric approach of Kenvue’s connected commerce model, emphasizing the importance of consumer insights, brand positioning, and personalized experiences in driving engagement and loyalty.

Key Takeaways:

●Foster transparency to manage resistance to change effectively

●Place the consumer at the center of marketing strategies to drive relevance and engagement

●Use data and analytics to gain insights, measure outcomes, and drive strategic decision-making


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Speaker 2: Welcome to today’s episode of Brave Commerce.

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Speaker 3: I’m Rachel Tippegraff, the founder and CEO of Micmac.

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Speaker 1: It’s been an incredible amount of change in all of

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Speaker 1: And so really just trying to empower the teams to

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Speaker 1: your point, what I think is really interesting from just

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Speaker 1: a thought exercise standpoint as you approach this is most

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Speaker 1: of this stuff is really easy to think about how

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Speaker 1: to do on a single use case, right? For a

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Speaker 1: across brands, across retailers?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: That’s when it starts to get complex and challenging, right?

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Speaker 1: And that’s where the easy path off is to carve

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Speaker 1: off those chunks and to manage them individually. When you

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Speaker 1: do that, you just lose that continuity and you lose

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Speaker 1: the ability to really amplify and complement the whole. And

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Speaker 1: so it’s continuing to focus on just how do you

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Speaker 1: make sure that all of the vectors point in the

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Speaker 3: Eric, how do you think about balancing how the consumer

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Speaker 3: wants to shop various Canview categories and then pushing the portfolio,

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Speaker 3: even though the consumer may not want to shop the

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Speaker 3: entire Canview portfolio at once when they visit, let’s say,

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Speaker 3: a Walmart?

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Speaker 1: I think it’s a couple of different things, right? One,

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Speaker 1: we try to put the consumer at the center in

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Speaker 1: how we operate entirely, and that’s the principle of our

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Speaker 1: model fundamentally. Number two, we generally aim to show up

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Speaker 1: in the voice of our brands in a primary way.

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Speaker 1: So you’ll see us run some retail execution in a

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Speaker 1: portfolio level, but generally speaking, we We live in the

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Speaker 1: voice of our brands and activate from that perspective. But

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Speaker 1: what we’re looking for and where we’re challenging and pushing

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Speaker 1: and trying to drive our partners, whether they’re retail partners,

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Speaker 1: media partners, technology partners, is how do we start to

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Speaker 1: bring online these capabilities that let us understand the consumer journey,

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Speaker 1: intercept that consumer journey, and create those opportunities for clear adjacencies,

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Speaker 1: basket building, creating new usage occasions. It’s starting from the core,

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Speaker 1: making sure that the fundamental thing you’re doing is organized

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Speaker 1: and designed to meet consumer needs, but then really starting

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Speaker 1: to think about how do we use the power of data,

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Speaker 1: the power of customization and personalization to kind of bring

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Speaker 1: in the relevant information to relevant audiences at the right

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Speaker 1: times to drive some of these additive outcomes, whether that’s

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Speaker 3: Makes sense. Well, we have to ask you our famous

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Speaker 3: last question, which is what’s the bravest thing you’ve ever done?

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Speaker 1: I’ve done a lot of stupid things. I don’t know

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Speaker 1: that those are relevant or appropriate for this kind of conversation.

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Speaker 3: Well, let’s see how stupid.

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Speaker 1: So I’ll focus on one that’s maybe a little more

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Speaker 1: closer here, right? And I think From a work standpoint,

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Speaker 1: the switch that I made to have kind of grown

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Speaker 1: up from a career standpoint in technology, to have developed

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Speaker 1: a degree of subject matter expertise and domain expertise there,

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Speaker 1: and then at a pretty developed point in my career,

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Speaker 1: switched over entirely to a different domain, I think qualifies

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Speaker 1: from that standpoint. I deal every single day with managing

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Speaker 1: through imposter syndrome and trying to make sure that I

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Speaker 1: feel qualified to represent the teams that I represent and

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Speaker 1: do the work that I do. But it’s been an

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Speaker 1: incredible learning journey. And I think that’s always at the core, right?

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Speaker 1: When you think about growth and development, it happens when

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Speaker 1: you step outside of your comfort zone. And this has

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Speaker 1: been one of the most engaging and exciting and challenging

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Speaker 1: examples of that in my career.

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Speaker 3: Well, you wear the pinstripes well. We wouldn’t know that

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Speaker 3: you were feeling like an imposter. And we’re so appreciative

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Speaker 3: for your time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me. And thanks for all

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Speaker 1: that you guys do for the industry.

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Speaker 3: If you enjoyed this episode and you want more examples

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Speaker 3: of change management and getting a company to be a

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Speaker 3: part of a mission, you can go listen to two

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Speaker 3: great episodes from two mission-driven CEOs. One is from Seth

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Speaker 3: Kaufman for when he was at Moet Hennessy, and then

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Speaker 3: a more recent episode with Mark Klaus, the CEO of Campbell’s.

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Speaker 3: If you’re enjoying what you’re hearing, write a review, give

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Speaker 3: us a like. Thanks for listening.

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