Brave Commerce

Hosted ByRachel Tipograph & Sarah Hofstetter

MikMak Founder & CEO Rachel Tipograph and Profitero’s President Sarah Hofstetter tackle what’s relevant in eCommerce today for the world’s biggest brands. Each episode they’ll share tips worth millions in sales, while interviewing the bravest marketers on how to navigate eCommerce’s latest consumer and retailer dynamics.

BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode Celebrating Bravery and Brilliance in Women’s Leadership

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BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode Celebrating Bravery and Brilliance in Women's Leadership
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In this special episode of BRAVE COMMERCE, hosts Rachel Tipograph and Sarah Hofstetter celebrate Women’s History Month by featuring key moments from past interviews with remarkable women leaders, offering insights into their experiences, and showcasing diverse perspectives on leadership, innovation, and empowerment.

Rachel and Sarah kick off the episode by highlighting a surprising statistic that 50% of BRAVE COMMERCE guests have been women. While the hosts never set a goal to hit equitable gender representation on the podcast, their ability to do soundercuts any suggestions that there is a shortage of impressive women to feature, hire, and/or promote in the worlds of marketing and commerce.

Rachel and Sarah emphasize the importance of women helping each other succeed, a departure from past norms where women often competed rather than collaborated in professional settings. They acknowledge the change in tone among women in leadership, where mentorship and support are becoming the norm, creating a community of women uplifting and empowering one another.

Emphasizing the significance of bravery in the workplace, Sarah also highlights how learning to balance family and career, alongside seizing opportunities for growth, has shaped her journey. Finally, the episode concludes with Rachel and Sarah expressing gratitude for the female friendships and connections fostered through the podcast.

Guests featured in this compilation episode include (in order of appearance):

Surabhi Pokhriyal, Chief Digital Growth Officer, Church & Dwight

Esi Eggleston Bracey, Chief Growth and Marketing Officer, Unilever

Diana Haussling, SVP/General Manager, Consumer Experience & Growth NA, Chief Marketing Officer, Colgate Palmolive

Esi Seng, CEO, Tate’s Bake Shop

Andrea Sengara, Head Of Marketing, U.S., Campari

Joy Simonson, Global Head of Digital Excellence, 3M

Cristina Marinucci, Global Head of Shopper – Insights & Analytics, Mondelēz International

Sarah Travis, SVP & President, Roundel – Media, Re-imagined by Target


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Speaker 1: Hey, Brave Commerce listeners. This is Marnie Edelhart. I’m a

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Speaker 1: producer here with Brave Commerce. And we’re excited to share

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Speaker 1: this best of episode with you in celebration of Women’s

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Speaker 1: History Month. Enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to today’s episode of Brave Commerce.

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Speaker 3: I’m Rachel Tippegraph, the founder and CEO of Micmac.

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Speaker 2: I’m Sarah Hofstetter, president of Profitero.

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Speaker 3: And this is a show that talks about what’s relevant

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Speaker 3: in e-commerce for the world’s biggest brands.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Brave Commerce.

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Speaker 3: Sarah and I just did a manual tally. We both

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Speaker 3: did it to figure out how many of our guests

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Speaker 3: have been women on the show.

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Speaker 4: And I think our guttural instincts were correct.

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Speaker 3: 50% of the episodes.

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Speaker 2: I think if you look at business leaders in general,

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Speaker 3: I think we know the answer to that is no.

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Speaker 2: So I would say that we’re making some serious strides

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Speaker 2: towards gender equity, at least starting here, right? Right here,

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Speaker 2: Brave Commerce.

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Speaker 5: 100%.

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Speaker 3: So for anyone out there who says that there aren’t

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Speaker 2: Not just without even trying, like we literally had to

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Speaker 6: But you know what?

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Speaker 2: If we get our hands dirty, it’s what we do

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that speaks more to the podcast ecosystem

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Speaker 2: But yes. Yes, the walled gardens are not the easiest sometimes,

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Speaker 2: fair enough. But I think you’re bringing up a fair point.

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Speaker 2: And I would say one of the things that has

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Speaker 2: There’s definitely not room for anybody else. Women were not

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Speaker 3: I think that’s been one of the most beautiful things

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Speaker 2: Being able to do that is one of the most

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Speaker 2: a little while ago is so particularly prescient, right, Rach?

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Speaker 3: Well, Sarah, I was going to play a.

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Speaker 4: Little pop quiz with you.

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Speaker 3: I’m going to say a company name and you got

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Speaker 3: This is real.

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Speaker 4: Do you know how many women there are at BIC?

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Speaker 3: Who have we had on the show recently?

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Speaker 3: Here’s another one for you, Church and Dwight.

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Speaker 4: Serby Pokerall, no question.

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Speaker 3: How about Paramount?

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Speaker 2: Paramount, that would be Pam Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: How about Unilever?

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Speaker 7: I said boom, like boom, yes.

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Speaker 7: I see cause and effect.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, you got it right. Here’s a tricky one.

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Speaker 3: Which women leaders have we had from Colgate-Palmolive?

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Speaker 2: We had Dana.

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Speaker 2: Well, we had Essie as CEO of Tate, but she

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 3: This is true.

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Speaker 7: Brigitte.

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Speaker 9: Well done.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we’re going to do a little look

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Speaker 3: is March. Thanks to our team who is going to

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Speaker 3: put together this compilation episode. But let’s look back together

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Speaker 3: at some of the great women leaders that we’ve had

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Speaker 3: to highlight, send Sarah and I a message on LinkedIn.

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Speaker 3: We always love guest recommendations. So on that note, let’s

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Speaker 3: look back at the history of women on this show.

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Speaker 4: The more I know is the less I know.

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Speaker 10: That’s the journey I feel all of us in digital

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Speaker 10: and commerce are growing. The more I read about social

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Speaker 10: or influencers or frictionless commerce, first party data, all of

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Speaker 10: these things, the more you read, the more you apply,

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Speaker 10: the foot soldiers who are living this day in and

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Speaker 10: day out A five-minute conversation with them can mean so much.

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Speaker 10: But we have to give them the open doors and

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Speaker 10: encouragement to say what they bring will be celebrated and

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Speaker 10: will be executed. That they are above and beyond just

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Speaker 10: being our teachers. They are being our coaches and guides.

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Speaker 10: And they want our empowerment to be able to execute that.

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Speaker 11: came into it to help people. And I could see

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Speaker 4: Believer in human centricity.

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Speaker 11: You create business when you find what people need and

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Speaker 11: you create solutions to people’s problems. And the first part

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Speaker 11: much why I joined Unilever. And that really, this whole

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Speaker 11: And that’s what, you know, when we’re later in our careers,

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Speaker 11: we want to do more at Giselle. We want to

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Speaker 11: G on beauty and cover girl and You know, I

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Speaker 11: life work is all about beauty inclusivity.

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Speaker 4: Certainly the product makes a difference, but it really beyond

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Speaker 11: race-based hair discrimination. So it’s back to what you said

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Speaker 11: very well, Sarah, around solving people problems, human centricity.

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Speaker 4: It’s well beyond capitalism.

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Speaker 11: It’s about using our business and brands as a platform

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Speaker 11: to do good and make an impact.

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Speaker 6: I think a critical part of the people skills that

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Speaker 6: it takes to move up is understanding people’s motivators. If

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Speaker 6: together to support and help each other. That’s not a

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Speaker 6: bad thing. And I think we often keep that type

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Speaker 6: I will say about me personally as an individual and

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Speaker 6: my boss will laugh at me, but he, Jesper knows this,

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Speaker 6: like I’m motivated by money, influence and power. I love

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Speaker 3: Well, that was amazing to listen to all of the

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Speaker 3: great women who we’ve had on the show. And honestly,

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Speaker 3: this compilation was only the cherry on top. There’s dozens

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Speaker 3: more women leaders that you can listen to.

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Speaker 6: So go through the backlog.

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Speaker 3: Sarah and I are so appreciative of our overall Brave

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Speaker 3: Commerce community and especially grateful for all of our female

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Speaker 3: friendships that we have created because of this show. If

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Speaker 3: you like the episode, write a review, tell your friend,

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Speaker 3: share on LinkedIn. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Hi, I’m Jackie Cooper, Global Chief Brand Officer

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Speaker 5: at Edelman and the host of Touch of Truth, a

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Speaker 5: new podcast launching on the Adweek Podcast Network. My dad

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Speaker 5: gave me this incredibly smart piece of advice. Meet everyone once.

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Speaker 5: As a result, I’ve met some of the most fascinating

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Speaker 5: and inspiring people on the planet. Now on Touch of Truth,

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Speaker 5: we’re coming centre stage and sharing the mic to experience

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Speaker 5: stories of truth, insights and visions for the future that

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Speaker 5: will challenge your way of thinking. Touch of Truth is

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Speaker 5: available wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out

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Speaker 5: every Tuesday. I do hope to see you there.