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Hosted ByRachel Tipograph & Sarah Hofstetter

MikMak Founder & CEO Rachel Tipograph and Profitero’s President Sarah Hofstetter tackle what’s relevant in eCommerce today for the world’s biggest brands. Each episode they’ll share tips worth millions in sales, while interviewing the bravest marketers on how to navigate eCommerce’s latest consumer and retailer dynamics.

BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode Colgate at Cannes: How Serendipity and Strategy Drive Marketing Innovation

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BRAVE COMMERCE | Episode Colgate at Cannes: How Serendipity and Strategy Drive Marketing Innovation
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In this episode of BRAVE COMMERCE, hosts Rachel Tipograph and Sarah Hofstetter are joined by Colgate Palmolive’s Diana Haussling, Senior Vice President and GM of Consumer Experience and Growth, CMO and Amy Benford, VP GM of Integrated Marketing. Together, they delve into the transformative experiences and invaluable insights gained at the Cannes Lions International Festival of Creativity. The discussion navigates through the unique value Cannes provides, from serendipitous encounters leading to innovative partnerships to the pivotal role of retail media in contemporary marketing strategies.

Diana and Amy emphasize how Cannes acts as a melting pot for creativity, data, and innovative collaborations, fostering an environment where groundbreaking ideas can flourish. They share anecdotes illustrating the serendipity of networking opportunities at Cannes, such as an impromptu meeting with Jay Shetty that blossomed into a fruitful partnership for Colgate Total. The conversation also highlights the importance of shifting from transactional interactions to visionary dialogues, allowing for the exploration of the art of the possible in brand marketing.

Furthermore, the episode underscores the growing significance of retail media and its evolving role in the marketing ecosystem. Diana and Amy discuss the intersection of media, tech, and brand partnerships, shedding light on how retail media is no longer confined to the lower funnel but is now integral to creating a holistic storytelling experience. They also touch on the responsibility of marketers in the age of AI, emphasizing the need for ethical considerations and responsible innovation as the industry navigates this rapidly advancing landscape.

Key Takeaways:

The Value of Serendipitous Networking: Cannes Lions provides a unique environment where unplanned interactions, such as the encounter with Jay Shetty, can lead to innovative and impactful brand partnerships.

Retail Media’s Evolving Role: Retail media is transforming from a lower-funnel tactic to a crucial component of holistic marketing strategies, enabling brands to create comprehensive storytelling experiences.

Responsible AI in Marketing: As AI becomes increasingly prevalent, marketers must prioritize ethical considerations and responsible innovation to shape the future of the industry positively.


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Speaker 1: We tend to lean either too much one way or

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Speaker 3: When you think about who.

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Speaker 2: Is here in this meeting, and Diana, you speak about

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Speaker 2: this all the time, but the responsibility that we have,

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Speaker 3: So that’s come up quite a bit, day one.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to today’s episode of Brave Commerce.

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Speaker 5: I’m Rachel Tippegraph, the founder and CEO of Micmac.

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Speaker 4: I’m Sarah Hofstetter, president of Profitero, and.

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Speaker 5: This is a show that talks about what’s relevant in

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Speaker 5: e-commerce for the world’s biggest brands.

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Speaker 4: And today, we are in a star-studded podcast booth here

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Speaker 4: All right. We are here today talking with Diana and

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Speaker 1: And I think the element that the creativity brings is

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Speaker 1: And I think what’s cool about coming to a place

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Speaker 4: So one of the things that I’ve always found enjoyable

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Speaker 4: As you think about year three in CAN as a

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Speaker 4: dynamic duo that the two of you are, Who do

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Speaker 4: you wish would come from your organization? Who do you

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Speaker 4: want to show this experience off to?

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Speaker 1: I’ll let you go first, and then I’ll try. You

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Speaker 1: have your wish list.

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Speaker 2: I have my wish list. So when you when you

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Speaker 2: look at my team, it’s a group of SMEs. They

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Speaker 2: are subject matter experts who have gone really deep in

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Speaker 2: a specialty within the industry, whether it be social or

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Speaker 2: PR or media or creative, and we’re not sending them.

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Speaker 3: Hmm.

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Speaker 2: We’re sending a lot of brand marketers. And I don’t

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Speaker 2: mean we just at Colgate, but I think in general,

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Speaker 2: you know, a lot of very senior level execs get sent.

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Speaker 2: And I think it’s a great thing. But you’re also

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Speaker 2: forgetting some of the people who really do the work

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Speaker 2: every day. And we talk about being inspired walking the Palais.

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Speaker 2: I would love for some of the creative team to

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Speaker 2: be able to walk the Palais and understand where they

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Speaker 2: could go next and have that vision and see that.

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Speaker 2: I understand it’s available later, but when you look at

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Speaker 2: audiences who don’t go past the first page of Google,

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Speaker 2: I can’t imagine they’re going to sit through and read

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Speaker 2: every single business case. So I think it’s really opening

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Speaker 2: it up to the people who do the work as well.

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Speaker 2: I think there’s only opportunity there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, as the person who’s responsible for the budget.

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Speaker 6: In the P & L.

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Speaker 3: She’s going to say no.

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Speaker 1: I’m sorry. I think for this experience and for the cost,

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Speaker 1: you really have to think about the ROI and what

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Speaker 1: you’re trying to accomplish. That said, it really does depend

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Speaker 1: on where your organization is and what you’re trying to accomplish.

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Speaker 1: I think for us, there’s an opportunity to have the

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Speaker 1: right conversations at the right level with the right people.

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Speaker 1: Let’s be honest, junior folks on your teams aren’t going

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Speaker 1: to get asked to have those conversations, nor do they

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Speaker 1: have the ability to say yes in the room, in

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Speaker 1: the moment, in the time to make it worth their while.

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Speaker 1: If you’re not The person that can write the check

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Speaker 1: and can actually say yes. Oof, just dated myself with

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Speaker 1: that one. I don’t even have a checkbook. But if

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Speaker 1: you’re not the person in the room that can actually

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Speaker 1: close the deal in the room, you’re not going to

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Speaker 1: get as much out of this space. But for the

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Speaker 1: young lions, I do think there’s an opportunity for them

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Speaker 1: to get inspired. And that should be your highest potential talent.

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Speaker 1: And they should get the experience, rotate through, really inspire them.

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Speaker 1: I think for the senior folks, the right folks in

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Speaker 1: the room, accompanied with some subject matter experts if they

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Speaker 1: are not one. Because sometimes you send a senior person,

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Speaker 1: and no offense to senior people, but if you got there,

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Speaker 1: hopefully you know that you are not the smartest person

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Speaker 1: in the room. And if you are, then ooh, that

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Speaker 1: room sucks. So I think it’s really important that you

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Speaker 1: are prepared to be able to make the right deal

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Speaker 1: that when you come back, the team isn’t like, why

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Speaker 1: did you do that? Like, now we’re fucked. So I

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Speaker 1: think you really have to think about where you are

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Speaker 1: as an organization, what the knowledge base of the folks

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Speaker 1: on your team, and what you’re trying to accomplish. I

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Speaker 1: think the second piece is KansLine is an awesome experience,

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Speaker 1: but there are so many other cool experiences. I know

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Speaker 1: all of us in this room attend a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: I think mapping out for your teams how you develop,

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Speaker 1: how you get there, and what it takes, and what

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Speaker 1: is something like a possible, or a grocery shop, or

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Speaker 1: a shop talk, or ANA? How do all of these

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Speaker 1: things play to really round out your experience and then

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Speaker 1: partnering with folks to bring that experience to your offices?

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Speaker 1: There’s a way to do it in a really cool

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Speaker 1: way that is inspiring and not just for a moment

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Speaker 1: in time, but throughout the year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it’s a great call to action.

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Speaker 4: The point about throughout the year, I think, is super

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Speaker 4: duper important. I think sometimes You go to these events

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Speaker 4: and there’s a so what now what call to action.

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Speaker 4: And by July 31st, the tan fades and you’re on

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Speaker 4: to the next thing.

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Speaker 1: My tan never fades.

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Speaker 4: No kidding.

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Speaker 5: No kidding.

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Speaker 1: But Sarah, you have a great way that you end

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Speaker 1: meetings that I think should be how people end most

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Speaker 1: of these things, where you ask the team.

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Speaker 3: Who will do it by when.

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Speaker 1: That’s right. We weren’t asked to do this, but whenever

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Speaker 1: we come to a space like this, I always pull together…

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Speaker 1: What are the meetings? What was the value I had

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Speaker 1: of the meetings? What do I wish I had done?

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Speaker 1: And then I have FOMO. So like who got a

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Speaker 1: meeting that I didn’t do? Because like, you know, my

501
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Speaker 1: friends are here. You got a meeting with that person.

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Speaker 1: You’re getting this. I need to up my game next time.

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Speaker 1: So really mapping that out, but also sharing that back

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Speaker 1: with leadership. So I put these things into my budget,

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Speaker 1: my strat plan presentations and really talk about here’s what’s working.

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Speaker 1: Here’s what’s not. Here’s what we got from it. Here’s

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Speaker 1: what I’m hoping to get out next year. And I’m

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Speaker 1: very transparent about it. And, you know, but you have

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Speaker 1: to understand where your company is.

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Speaker 2: No, I was going to say you talk about like

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Speaker 2: a beautiful constraint and making the most of every single

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Speaker 2: dollar you have.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it’s not nothing to come to can. It’s

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Speaker 3: a big commitment.

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Speaker 2: And so I think there’s a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: pressure that you put on yourself when you’re here to

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Speaker 2: make the most out of every dollar to really get

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Speaker 2: that back. So that isn’t a it’s going to be

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Speaker 2: a moment in time. And then a month from now,

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Speaker 2: we’re going.

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Speaker 1: To forget about it.

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Speaker 2: You work very hard throughout the year to ensure that

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Speaker 2: it delivers.

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Speaker 5: So two final questions for you guys. Can 2024, what’s

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Speaker 5: one thing that each of you are hoping to get

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Speaker 5: out of this? And then we’ll go to our famous

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Speaker 5: last question.

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Speaker 4: But we’re only asking Amy this time.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Oh, thank you. I’m running out of stuff. Like,

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Speaker 1: I’m just not that brave.

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Speaker 4: I think your first two were pretty darn good, but

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Speaker 4: we’re going to give you a break this time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: But let’s go to the first question.

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Speaker 5: So one thing you want to get out of Can 2024. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So when I think back to last year, so much

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Speaker 2: came out of it. And so similar to what I

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Speaker 2: was just saying about the ROI. I truly want to

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Speaker 2: get activations that work really well for our business out

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Speaker 2: of this week. And so I will not leave this

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Speaker 2: week without either promises or agreements, knowing that I’m going

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Speaker 2: to do something about the meetings that we’re having and

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Speaker 2: the conversations that we’re having to make it work for

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Speaker 2: the business.

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Speaker 3: I’m hoping to leave a list.

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Speaker 1: I think that’s twofold for me. One is access. I

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Speaker 1: think the cool thing about these conversations is it’s really

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Speaker 1: not about hey, Mrs. Marketer, here’s our packages. You can

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Speaker 1: choose package A, B, and C. It really is that

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Speaker 1: co-creation and really talking about the potential. So I’m hoping

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Speaker 1: that we get a lot more of those serendipitous moments

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Speaker 1: where we do that. Can’t share all our secret sauce here,

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Speaker 1: but there’s a lot of cool things that we’ve been

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Speaker 1: able to pull from last year that I want to

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Speaker 1: just build upon. But I think for me, and this

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Speaker 1: is my soapbox, I just think it’s so critical for

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Speaker 1: us as an industry. You know, we can’t just talk

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Speaker 1: about AI. We have to shape mold and be the

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Speaker 1: architects of the future of it for our industry. And

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Speaker 1: that means making sure underrepresented groups are a part of

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Speaker 1: that conversation so it really reflects the society that we

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Speaker 1: live in. It means thinking about things like what does

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Speaker 1: it mean to be a creative? What is the power

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Speaker 1: that you wield when you start to leverage AI with talent?

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Speaker 1: And what does that look like? And how do we

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Speaker 1: as an industry want to make sure that we’re not

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Speaker 1: just waiting for somebody else to tell us what it is,

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Speaker 1: that we’re actually driving, shaping that conversation and making sure

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Speaker 1: that everyone has the same amount of access. I do

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Speaker 1: think we mixed the mark with the internet and really

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Speaker 1: allowed the few to really define what that looked like

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Speaker 1: for us and we’re paying the price of that. I

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Speaker 1: think there was a missed opportunity for us with social

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Speaker 1: as well and we’re at a Interesting point where AI,

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Speaker 1: where it’s not just about the cool stuff and the

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Speaker 1: robots and all of that. It’s really around who we

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Speaker 1: want to be as humans, what we want to be

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Speaker 1: as a society, and how we want to make sure

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Speaker 1: that we’re all represented in that space.

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Speaker 5: So open AI, if there’s a meeting at Cannes, you

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Speaker 5: better invite Diana.

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Speaker 3: That’s right.

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Speaker 5: So Amy, Diana gets a pass because she’s been asked

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Speaker 5: this far too many times.

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Speaker 3: She has good answers, too.

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Speaker 5: What’s the bravest thing you’ve ever done?

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Speaker 2: This may not be the most traditional, but I would

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Speaker 2: say I do the work. So I think very often

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Speaker 2: I’ve been in situations where I either probably shouldn’t have

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Speaker 2: been there or didn’t have the knowledge to be in

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Speaker 2: the room. And I’ve had the humility to understand that,

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Speaker 2: take it back, and do the work. And so if

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Speaker 2: I think back to technology when I was at Campbell’s

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Speaker 2: or prior companies, I was very often in a room

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Speaker 2: with a lot of people, very often a lot of men,

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Speaker 2: who knew so much more than me.

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Speaker 3: And so what I did was I went back and

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Speaker 3: I did all the work on my own. I would

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Speaker 3: outreach to other companies.

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Speaker 2: I would put myself in very vulnerable positions to say,

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Speaker 2: I don’t know something, but I really want to learn.

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Speaker 2: And I did so much work that I would go

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Speaker 2: back and then they would say to me, you know

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Speaker 2: more than I do. And I think the constant humility

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Speaker 2: and trying to just be better and know more is

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Speaker 2: why I’m able to get the things done that we

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Speaker 2: do together all of the time. So I would say

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Speaker 2: that’s probably the bravest thing is just having that humility

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Speaker 2: and going back on it.

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Speaker 1: And why you’re typically the smartest person in the rooms

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Speaker 1: that I’m in with you.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, now.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. You can go to the meetings.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks very much to Amy and Diana for joining

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Speaker 4: us here on this lovely beach. And for those of

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Speaker 4: you who are looking to make the business case to

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Speaker 4: your leadership, feel free to share this episode. Tell a friend.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, and join us next week.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. It was awesome.

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Speaker 6: Hi, I’m Jackie Cooper, Global Chief Brand Officer at Edelman

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Speaker 6: and the host of Touch of Truth, a new podcast

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Speaker 6: launching on the Adweek Podcast Network. My dad gave me

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Speaker 6: this incredibly smart piece of advice. Meet everyone once. As

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Speaker 6: a result, I’ve met some of the most fascinating and

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Speaker 6: inspiring people on the planet. Now on Touch of Truth,

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Speaker 6: we’re coming centre stage and sharing the mic to experience

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Speaker 6: stories of truth, insights and visions for the future that

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Speaker 6: will challenge your way of thinking. Touch of Truth is

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Speaker 6: available wherever you listen to podcasts. New episodes come out

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Speaker 6: every Tuesday. I do hope to see you there.